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ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 19 Nov 18, 18:17Post
In my on-going quest to enter the world of Airport Operations, I have found that a local airport has an opening for an Airport Operations Specialist. The job description contains what you'd normally expect, so no worries there.

The requirement to be able to obtain Aircraft Rescue Fire Fighter Certification within 6 months of hire caught my attention. This job, according to the description, isn't some sort of dual-role set up, since it states that the Ops Specialist will work with the local Fire Protection District (who owns/operates the fancy toys).

So is there some sort of "Introductory" training certificate in the ARFF world or is there only full fledged ARFF or nothing?

If this airport's Ops Specialist has to be a full fledged fire fighter, then the pay they list in the job announcement is dreadfully inadequate. However, if it's just a basic course, a "here's what ya do until the big boys get there" then it might be kinda fun.

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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 19 Nov 18, 20:37Post
My training was good enough for RFF Cat 3. It was a day or two at most in the classroom, and probably 8 or 10 practical exercises (which we spread out over a few weeks, since all involved had other jobs on the airfield). After that, I was apparently "fully qualified".

Admittedly this was the UK and mumble years ago. YMMV, especially if you get a proper crash wagon and real planes.
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For it is the number of a man; and its number is One hundred threescore and twelve.
ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 20 Nov 18, 01:44Post
ShanwickOceanic wrote:It was a day or two at most in the classroom, and probably 8 or 10 practical exercises (which we spread out over a few weeks, since all involved had other jobs on the airfield). After that, I was apparently "fully qualified".


That's sorta what I had in mind, since the job announcement doesn't list any physical fitness requirements you'd normally associate with that of a fire fighter.
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Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 20 Nov 18, 18:01Post
I start in Tucson tower 7 January. Here's my timeline:

-27 November I leave for Belize.

-7 December I return.

-I work 7, 8, 10. On the 11th I have a pre-op appointment.

-12th I have a piece of skull removed, a growth removed, and tentatively start radiation.

-Physician says I will be out for the count through the 21st. I will have tubes and stuff removed from my head on that day.

-Somehow they need to convince a flight doc to come in on the 21st, 24th, or 25th to un-DNIC me. Won't happen.

-So I'll be DNIC through the 30th...which is my last day before terminal leave.


Now I'd try to schedule things a little better so that I could be of more help, but we have 9 tower controllers. 2 are quitting to go to Afghanistan for the less-hostile work environment. Another is quitting the day I get my surgery. One refuses to work traffic other than pro-time.

Of the remaining, one is a creep, the other is the Chief Creep (who doesn't work traffic), and said Chief Creep, upon learning that I was transferring, re-bid the shift lines for my last two weeks of work...but didn't allow me to bid. Why? Because it costs me an extra 26-hours of leave.

I am going to hate Tucson, but I am going to LOVE Tucson, if you know what I mean.
ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 20 Nov 18, 22:53Post
Lucas wrote:Here's my timeline:

Leaping tamales! {bugeye}
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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 06 Feb 19, 11:42Post
Finally pulled off enough geek hero stunts to recover our imaging system's main database and imaging store from a RAID built entirely of survivors from previous RAID failures (again), only for one of the imagers to grind (literally) to a halt with a massive hardware failure the next day. {bored}

Meanwhile, not a line of code (my *actual* job) has been written.

Finally sat down this morning and started trying to pick up on what I was doing before Christmas (it's been that long). Ah yes. Logging into remote service. Start pulling their login form apart to see how it works... Three layers of nested <table> elements. Haven't seen that since 2001. {crazy} God knows what horrors lurk behind it or how I'm going to talk to it.

But it's all going to be working by mid-April when I'm supposed to deploy it in at least three places because the boss promised. Right? {boxed}
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
For it is the number of a man; and its number is One hundred threescore and twelve.
miamiair (netAirspace FAA) 06 Feb 19, 12:37Post
ShanwickOceanic wrote:But it's all going to be working by mid-April when I'm supposed to deploy it in at least three places because the boss promised. Right? {boxed}


"We the willing, led by the unknowing, have been doing so much, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing at all..."
And let's get one thing straight. There's a big difference between a pilot and an aviator. One is a technician; the other is an artist in love with flight. — E. B. Jeppesen
ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 06 Feb 19, 13:34Post
miamiair wrote:"We the willing, led by the unknowing, have been doing so much, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing at all..."

Indeed. Sometimes I wish working in academia wasn't so... educational...

The only consolation is that some poor blighter in Norway has many of the same problems, and I can spare him the more painful parts...
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
For it is the number of a man; and its number is One hundred threescore and twelve.
ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 06 Feb 19, 22:58Post
Found out my new Undersheriff de-ices aircraft at KDEN on his days off and flies R/C aircraft.
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Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 07 Feb 19, 01:40Post
Took the TUS job bc it could get me a girl. Girl just broke up with me via text because she doesn't like the ATC part of me. Applying for Afghanistan tomorrow, y'all! $$$
ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 07 Feb 19, 07:13Post
Yowch. I feel for you.
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
For it is the number of a man; and its number is One hundred threescore and twelve.
Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 07 Feb 19, 13:08Post
It's NBD actually as my best bud just went over there as was trying to convince me to go before, plus another friend is also applying this week.

I'd like to go there for a year and then come back here and get out of ATC! It bores me. But not sure if they'll hire with Trump scaling things down.

Plenty of free time in the 'stan to try to learn the basics of coding! :))
ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 07 Feb 19, 14:49Post
Lucas wrote:Plenty of free time in the 'stan to try to learn the basics of coding! :))

Don't do it! Before you know it, you'll be doing system administration on systems you have no business administering, duct-taping antiquated crap together to keep other antiquated crap running, pulling off hero stunts that wouldn't be necessary if people's wallets ever saw the light of day, and sitting in a freezer re-calibrating a machine that's made entirely of bare metal because it simply doesn't like you - all at or beyond the very outer limits of your competence. Not to mention answering endless "is it still broken"s from people who can clearly see its guts all over the floor and probably broke the damn thing in the first place.

Coding? Coding will be that nice relaxing thing you dream of having time to do one day... and when you do have time, you'll immediately hit a wall caused by someone else somewhere else ten years ago who you can't slap, and have a week's worth of pain trying to work around it... except you might get two hours into that week before someone breaks the mission-critical equipment you just duct-taped and re-calibrated through their own sheer stupidity and inability to follow basic instructions. You won't be allowed to slap them, either. And somehow, it'll be your fault.

Why, yes, it has been a fun week. Why do you ask? {crazy}

Then again, pilot kindergarten... If they aren't whining or getting into places they shouldn't, they're trying to hit each other with their toys. Rather you than me, mate! {silly}
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
For it is the number of a man; and its number is One hundred threescore and twelve.
Zak (netAirspace FAA) 07 Feb 19, 16:14Post
Best of luck, Lucas!
On a lighter note - I'm up for a NAS Bagram meet :)
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
(Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
GQfluffy (Database Editor & Founding Member) 07 Feb 19, 18:05Post
Zak wrote:Best of luck, Lucas!
On a lighter note - I'm up for a NAS Bagram meet :)


I dunno...I may be up for a NAS NAS meet.
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ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 07 Feb 19, 23:21Post
Lucas wrote:Took the TUS job bc it could get me a girl. Girl just broke up with me via text because she doesn't like the ATC part of me. Applying for Afghanistan tomorrow, y'all! $$$

WOW! {vsad} Also, I can't keep up, re: Missouri.
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Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 09 Feb 19, 06:18Post
LOL, not knowing any sort of coding makes me feel quite illiterate! I know that learning to speak might make me miserable, but still...prospects. :D As for the Bahamas...bring it on!

@Shy, girl is amazing, but I can't offer her what she needs, which is the ability to move closer to her. That's ATC. Small community and with the NCEPT and ERR restrictions, movement is limited.

Blessed time while it lasted.

Hope I meet someone who finds me attractive and likes the outdoors again. And of course, Christian. Rare combo. Dadgum genetics! :))
ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 10 Feb 19, 00:09Post
Lucas wrote:Blessed time while it lasted.

Been there, done that.

At least you're not in jail. {boxed}


Meanwhile, back at the Hall of Justice....

...I've put in an application for another job within the department. Should I land this gig, I'd be dealing with such things as EOCs, MOC, ATVs, NIMS, and UAVs! I'd also need to get me a CDL. The initial bump in pay would be quite significant too.
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Lucas (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 11 Feb 19, 03:14Post
ShyFlyer wrote:
Lucas wrote:Blessed time while it lasted.

Been there, done that.

At least you're not in jail. {boxed}


Meanwhile, back at the Hall of Justice....

...I've put in an application for another job within the department. Should I land this gig, I'd be dealing with such things as EOCs, MOC, ATVs, NIMS, and UAVs! I'd also need to get me a CDL. The initial bump in pay would be quite significant too.


This sounds exciting. Hope ya get it!!!

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