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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 17 Sep 17, 14:16Post
An ongoing story:

Ryanair cancelled 82 flights on Sunday after admitting it had "messed up" the planning of its pilots' holidays.

The budget airline said on Saturday that it will cancel 40-50 flights every day for the next six weeks.

Marketing officer Kenny Jacobs said affected customers with bookings up to 20 September had been informed.

"We have messed up in the planning of pilot holidays and we're working hard to fix that," he said.

Most of the cancellations are due to a backlog of staff leave which has seen large numbers of the airline's staff book holidays towards the end of the year.

The airline is changing its holiday year, which currently runs from April to March, to run from January to December instead.

Rynanair said the shift meant it had to allocate annual leave to pilots in September and October.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41298931

Passengers are complaining, and rightly so, but if it were me I'd rather know now than spend days at some glorified bus station waiting for a plane to show up.
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
For it is the number of a man; and its number is One hundred threescore and twelve.

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JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 17 Sep 17, 16:19Post
This of course wouldn't be related to the fact that Ryanair just lost a court case and is now forbidden from ignoring local employment laws in favour of more lax Irish laws at all {sarcastic}

http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 31288.html

By pure coincidence, a large number of Ryanair employees are now owed 9 days per year in holiday pay, coincidentally.
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ShanwickOceanic (netAirspace FAA) 17 Sep 17, 19:58Post
Ryanair getting spanked in court? Surely not! {laugh}
Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
For it is the number of a man; and its number is One hundred threescore and twelve.
Zak (netAirspace FAA) 18 Sep 17, 12:40Post
There are 2 more possible reasons that local media throw around. One being that Ryanair recently lost 140 pilots to Norwegian and is simply short on pilots.

The other one is related to AB. It looks like they may have to cease ops before a takeover has been arranged, at least on some routes. When that happens, the opening slots would need to be tendered immediately. In order to participate, bidding airlines need to prove that they can start operating on the routes they are bidding for in a matter of days.

Ryanair most certainly wants as many of these routes as possible, but a lack of pilots, with the remaining ones sitting on a huge pile of accumulated holidays, might put their ambitions to a quick end. Hence the rather rash attempt to get their pilot hours back to normal asap, even if it means leaving thousands of passengers stranded.

So far, passengers don't even get 48 hours notice for their cancelled flights. Ryanair offers affected passengers a free rebooking to a later flight, or a full fare refund. Passengers who will insist on the cancellation fee of 250 - 400 EUR that Ryanair legally owes them will probably have to sue.
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airtrainer 18 Sep 17, 15:18Post
Another reason I've read here, is that they are cancelling flights to increase their punctuality that has went down to 80% recently, "which is unacceptable" according to them. I wonder how a canceled flight will help them to improve their on-time statistics {sarcastic}
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ShyFlyer (Founding Member) 18 Sep 17, 17:55Post
airtrainer wrote:I wonder how a canceled flight will help them to improve their on-time statistics

If the flight doesn't operate, it can't arrive late.
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helvknight (Founding Member) 20 Sep 17, 10:23Post
Ryanair have offered Captains €12K and FOs €6K to forfeit their holidays.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... hts-fiasco

Another problem is that they seem to be losing a lot of staff to Norwegian.
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JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 21 Sep 17, 14:57Post
helvknight wrote:Ryanair have offered Captains €12K and FOs €6K to forfeit their holidays.


The offer is now compulsory:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41344653

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary has said the firm plans to make some pilots delay a week's holiday as it wrestles with massive flight cancellations.


Two pilots who have been told their holidays are being cancelled have confirmed this will mean the cancellation of their weddings. Can't see that ending well for Ryanair.

Treating your employees and customers like dirt isn't a viable long-term business strategy it seems.
A million great ideas...
mhodgson (ATC & Photo Quality Screener & Founding Member) 21 Sep 17, 15:14Post
Unless things have changed massively at Ryanair, most of these employees are probably self-employed contractors; so are unlikely to have any significant form of recourse from Ryanair as they aren't directly employed by them and Ryanair can dictate requirements.
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JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 21 Sep 17, 16:44Post
mhodgson wrote:Unless things have changed massively at Ryanair, most of these employees are probably self-employed contractors; so are unlikely to have any significant form of recourse from Ryanair as they aren't directly employed by them and Ryanair can dictate requirements.


Erm, it has:

JLAmber wrote:This of course wouldn't be related to the fact that Ryanair just lost a court case and is now forbidden from ignoring local employment laws in favour of more lax Irish laws at all

http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 31288.html

By pure coincidence, a large number of Ryanair employees are now owed 9 days per year in holiday pay, coincidentally.


{boxed}

European law dictates there are four levels of employment: Self-employed, contractor, employed and director. Ryanair pilots fall into the contractor bracket because, although many are self-employed for tax purposes, they are not free to choose the volume, conditions or venue of their work in the way a truly self-employed person (window cleaner, plumber, black cab driver etc,) would. Being a contractor gives them minimum rights such as minimum wage, holiday pay, paternity etc. in accordance with the laws of the country where the individual pays tax.

Then there's the pesky issue of contractually agreed conditions in accordance with the pilots' contracts which Ryanair freely admit they are trying to pay their way out of.
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airtrainer 22 Sep 17, 17:05Post
JLAmber wrote: Can't see that ending well for Ryanair.


Can't find an article in english yet but pilots are said to begin a "work-to-rule" strike. Earlier this week they sent an ultimatum that would end today regarding their working conditions, but they didn't receive any answer...

Link (in french, google translation below):
https://www.rtbf.be/info/economie/detai ... id=9716124

The Ultimatum, which was filed by the Ryanair federation of pilots, did not receive a response from management, but the Irish company's pilots decided to go on a "white strike".
In concrete terms, they will stick to the bare minimum during their working days. For example, it is stipulated in their contract that they must arrive 45 minutes before the take-off, but in practice the pilots are obliged to arrive earlier so that the take-off takes place without delay. Now, they will actually arrive 45 minutes before, leaving the plane to leave on time. They also plan to take more time to land, and park the planes. In other words, a zealous strike, which will certainly result in substantial delays in the 60 Ryanair bases that have posed the ultimatum.

This Wednesday, in a joint letter, the pilots had issued an ultimatum to the management if they did not respond to their requests: real contracts, pilots being paid on time at the moment, or a fixed contract with the social protections related (holidays with pay, pension contributions, etc.). Pilots must also pay for their uniforms and training, a situation perceived as unacceptable.

This social conflict, a latent tension within the company, has recently had a direct impact on the company's service: until the end of October, and from the beginning of September, 40 to 50 aircraft have been eliminated daily, due to planning problems to the leave of pilots. Initially, Ryanair had not communicated in advance of these deletions, causing the anger of the unhappy travelers.
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JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 27 Sep 17, 17:09Post
Update:

A further 400,000 bookings are being cancelled by Ryanair with 34 routes being suspended altogether until early March 2018, HAM being particularly hard hit.

The list of routes suspended is:

Bucharest – Palermo
Sofia – Castellon
Chania – Athens
Sofia – Memmingen
Chania – Pafos
Sofia – Pisa
Chania – Thessaloniki
Sofia – Stockholm (NYO)
Cologne – Berlin (SXF)
Sofia – Venice (TSF)
Edinburgh – Szczecin
Thessaloniki – Bratislava
Glasgow – Las Palmas
Thessaloniki – Paris BVA
Hamburg – Edinburgh
Thessaloniki – Warsaw (WMI)
Hamburg – Katowice
Trapani – Baden Baden
Hamburg – Oslo (TRF)
Trapani – Frankfurt (HHN)
Hamburg – Thessaloniki
Trapani – Genoa
Hamburg – Venice (TSF)
Trapani – Krakow
London (LGW) – Belfast
Trapani – Parma
London (STN) – Edinburgh
Trapani – Rome FIU
London (STN) – Glasgow
Trapani – Trieste
Newcastle – Faro
Wroclaw – Warsaw
Newcastle – Gdansk
Gdansk – Warsaw

MAN-BCN is not on the official list of suspended routes but reports are that almost all pax have now also been told their flights are cancelled.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41414414
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 7-13683036
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DAL764 27 Sep 17, 17:37Post
The timing couldn't be any worse for Ryanair, especially with so many flight cuts in Germany, given the whole Air Berlin deal and Ryanair complaining about LH (and to a lesser degree EZY) being to dominant to get AB routes. Now LH can just question FR how the hell they'd want to integrate however many AB routes when they can't even handle their own current flights.
"I mean, we're in a galaxy far, far away, and we still have to change in Atlanta" (Stewie Griffin as Darth Vader)
Zak (netAirspace FAA) 27 Sep 17, 17:56Post
If rumours are to be believed, they make all these cuts so that they would be able to operate the former AB routes.

If that will work out is an entirely different question. FWIW, Ryanair stocks went up by 4% today after the route cuts were announced.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
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JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 27 Sep 17, 18:02Post
DAL764 wrote:The timing couldn't be any worse for Ryanair...


Add to this that there are some major airports on that list who won't just sit around and wait for FR to return, especially when there are competitors who will jump at the chance to step in during what is traditionally the quietest time of the year in Europe. MOL was on the UK news today saying British people are tight so any customers they lose will come back if they offer some good fares. I think he may have overlooked the fact that airports will also be losing faith and will be reluctant to invest in new facilities to service his airline.

Some of the routes cancelled are real head-scratchers too. GLA-LPA? I'd be shocked if every flight on that route isn't full through the winter. Jet2 are rumoured to be moving an A330 up to Scotland to take on the extra bookings and I wouldn't be surprised to see the 4x weekly Canaries winter routes go daily.

Then there's all the Polish routes cancelled over the Christmas period {crazy}
A million great ideas...
JLAmber (netAirspace ATC & Founding Member) 29 Sep 17, 14:52Post
The CAA are now involved with UK cancellations. Ryanair have failed to properly inform passengers whose flights have been cancelled of their consumer rights, which is a breach of their operator's license. They have until 17:00 BST today to comply:

Ryanair has been told to correct its compensation policy for passengers by Friday afternoon after thousands of its flights were cancelled.

The UK's Civil Aviation Authority says the airline must stop misleading passengers about the option to be re-routed with another airline.

The regulator has ordered the budget airline to say publicly how it will re-route passengers who require it.

Ryanair must also say how it will reimburse their out-of-pocket expenses.

..........................

In addition, the airline must promise to help any of the passengers whose flights have been cancelled in the past two weeks, but who may have chosen an unsuitable option as a result of being misled by Ryanair, the regulator said.

The demands - which must be completed by 17:00 BST on Friday - cover passengers who were due to fly to and from the UK.

The CAA said if the airline did not meet the deadline, it would carry on with the "enforcement action" launched on Wednesday, which could ultimately see the airline taken to court, with the possibility of an unlimited fine.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41435013
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airtrainer 29 Sep 17, 22:34Post
Meanwhile, they're relaunching one of their "one million flights from 9.99€" promotion on their website {boxed}
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paul mcallister 30 Sep 17, 18:27Post
Ryanair are still running their UK TV ad campaign-cheeky sods,but what else would you expect from this scummy airline.
I really hope MOL has done a " Ratner`s "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner
Zak (netAirspace FAA) 30 Sep 17, 18:30Post
airtrainer wrote:Meanwhile, they're relaunching one of their "one million flights from 9.99€" promotion on their website {boxed}

Consumer watchdog should sue them to change that to "one million tickets from 9.99". If that ticket will lead to an actual flight seems to be a lottery these days.

Maybe FR should start selling scratch cards instead of tickets... {mischief}
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
(Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
airtrainer 30 Sep 17, 22:39Post
Zak wrote:
airtrainer wrote:Meanwhile, they're relaunching one of their "one million flights from 9.99€" promotion on their website {boxed}

Consumer watchdog should sue them to change that to "one million tickets from 9.99". If that ticket will lead to an actual flight seems to be a lottery these days.

Maybe FR should start selling scratch cards instead of tickets... {mischief}


Oops my bad, thats one million seats from 9.99€ *Terms and conditions apply, maybe they don't specify if the seats are in a flying aircraft :))
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